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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://pastorforlife.org/your-personal-pace-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 04:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelli .... Thanks for the thoughts and prayer! Man, you&#039;ve been through it!

Bernie ..... naked in a field? Maybe when I&#039;ve lost some of my weight, or at the very least, in the middle of the night only! Thanks for your insights!

Jan .... as painful as your walk has been, how you&#039;ve walked it out has been exemplary and commendable. I appreciate your participation here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelli &#8230;. Thanks for the thoughts and prayer! Man, you&#8217;ve been through it!</p>
<p>Bernie &#8230;.. naked in a field? Maybe when I&#8217;ve lost some of my weight, or at the very least, in the middle of the night only! Thanks for your insights!</p>
<p>Jan &#8230;. as painful as your walk has been, how you&#8217;ve walked it out has been exemplary and commendable. I appreciate your participation here!</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Owen</title>
		<link>http://pastorforlife.org/your-personal-pace-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernie, I agree so totally - except for your last statement. Ain&#039;t happening. ever. haha

I was on the scene after they loaded our pastor&#039;s wife (and a friend of mine for 23 years) into the ambulance after she took her own life in a violent manner. I dealt with all notification for our staff and leadership and the next morning at church for our congregation, set up counseling, etc. It was horrible. To this day I can hardly talk about the details of that night. I was eventually diagnosed with PTSD and it still plagues me on occasion. It is hard to stop and understand that WE need help after all of that. We just want to help, but it&#039;s hard to even discern that WE need it too in order to be healthy and keep on giving. I had to go to a counselor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernie, I agree so totally &#8211; except for your last statement. Ain&#8217;t happening. ever. haha</p>
<p>I was on the scene after they loaded our pastor&#8217;s wife (and a friend of mine for 23 years) into the ambulance after she took her own life in a violent manner. I dealt with all notification for our staff and leadership and the next morning at church for our congregation, set up counseling, etc. It was horrible. To this day I can hardly talk about the details of that night. I was eventually diagnosed with PTSD and it still plagues me on occasion. It is hard to stop and understand that WE need help after all of that. We just want to help, but it&#8217;s hard to even discern that WE need it too in order to be healthy and keep on giving. I had to go to a counselor.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://pastorforlife.org/your-personal-pace-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We also stop to say: &quot;Lord, you have given me compassion - you are compassionate and allow me to extend that compassion to others.&quot; The conduit of the compassion becomes weary and needs to speak with someone who understands. A few years ago, following two teenage deaths (due to vehicle crash) I dealt with the death notifications of both families. These two families had about 30 to 40 close members in each. So about 70 people gathered at the ER claiming to be immediate family. After 2 1/2 hours of comforting, working the ER door, praying, connecting with law enforcement and media, I stood outside -all were gone. A lone firemen was there as well. He is a believer and friend and it was his cousin that was one of the boys who died. He was also on scene to deal with extracation.  So, as I walked towards him we both had the same look and feel. We both were depleted, feeling as though we had run for miles. Nothing left - we hugged and cried and then he spoke of that which only I would understand and I did the same.

Speaking with someone who &#039;gets it&#039; is essential.

Knowing we bring compassion to others as the Lord&#039;s instrument is gratifying.

Belief that we made a difference is uplifting. 

Then - go to the nursery at the hospital and gaze in the window at new life and realize God is good and we are frail.

Depend upon Him for your strength.

Read Max Lucado - Traveling Light.

Run naked in a field and make sure no one is watching. (just checking to see if anyone read my comment! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We also stop to say: &#8220;Lord, you have given me compassion &#8211; you are compassionate and allow me to extend that compassion to others.&#8221; The conduit of the compassion becomes weary and needs to speak with someone who understands. A few years ago, following two teenage deaths (due to vehicle crash) I dealt with the death notifications of both families. These two families had about 30 to 40 close members in each. So about 70 people gathered at the ER claiming to be immediate family. After 2 1/2 hours of comforting, working the ER door, praying, connecting with law enforcement and media, I stood outside -all were gone. A lone firemen was there as well. He is a believer and friend and it was his cousin that was one of the boys who died. He was also on scene to deal with extracation.  So, as I walked towards him we both had the same look and feel. We both were depleted, feeling as though we had run for miles. Nothing left &#8211; we hugged and cried and then he spoke of that which only I would understand and I did the same.</p>
<p>Speaking with someone who &#8216;gets it&#8217; is essential.</p>
<p>Knowing we bring compassion to others as the Lord&#8217;s instrument is gratifying.</p>
<p>Belief that we made a difference is uplifting. </p>
<p>Then &#8211; go to the nursery at the hospital and gaze in the window at new life and realize God is good and we are frail.</p>
<p>Depend upon Him for your strength.</p>
<p>Read Max Lucado &#8211; Traveling Light.</p>
<p>Run naked in a field and make sure no one is watching. (just checking to see if anyone read my comment! <img src='http://pastorforlife.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jan Owen</title>
		<link>http://pastorforlife.org/your-personal-pace-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, you might have read my post on this that I sent you a link to earlier, I don&#039;t know. The main thing I had to learn is that grief will not be denied. It will manifest itself physically and emotionally and even sprititually. To deny our grief would be to deny reality. To live in la la land hoping it will just all go away. And that is the path we take sometimes because the pain is so incredibly deep. To face it and to live within the reality of it takes much energy!

I think we have to simply &quot;be&quot; alot in our grief, to not push to &quot;do&quot; so much. Be with God, Be with others, just Be! God&#039;s word to me in my grief was to &quot;Be still and know that I am God&quot;. I sat alot, I rested alot, I cried alot. I got tired of it. But it was healing. 

Grief is a process with a purpose: healing. If we don&#039;t submit to the process we don&#039;t heal. After much kicking and screaming, running myself into the ground and just hoping tomorrow would be a different day, I had to simply give in to the graceful work of grief. I told God how I felt. I journaled extensively. I went for long walks and sat at the beach and cried. 

But I learned NOT to push myself. 

I likened pushing yourself when grieving to running on a broken leg. It results in permanent injury and you don&#039;t run very good anyway. And it hurts.

I think another key is to be honest with God about where you are and to bring that into God&#039;s presence and be with Him in all of your anger, whys?, sorrow, and memories. Wrestle, but wrestle well, with God.

Eventually grief bears a fruit of compassion and even a changed life. We wait for that day with expectation. But it takes paying attention along the way. So slow down, my friend. Respect the toll all of this has had on your body and mind and emotions and yes, even  your spirit. Be with God and rest. See how He is at work.

On another topic entirely, I am reading &quot;Strengthening the Soul of Your Leadership&quot; by Ruth Haley Barton. You should really get a copy. It&#039;s fantastic and would be a great book review for your site. If you have questions let me know. I have lived out the truth of the teachings. She leads the 2 year retreat community I am a part of with other leaders. It&#039;s a book about taking care of your own soul as leaders......it&#039;s fantastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, you might have read my post on this that I sent you a link to earlier, I don&#8217;t know. The main thing I had to learn is that grief will not be denied. It will manifest itself physically and emotionally and even sprititually. To deny our grief would be to deny reality. To live in la la land hoping it will just all go away. And that is the path we take sometimes because the pain is so incredibly deep. To face it and to live within the reality of it takes much energy!</p>
<p>I think we have to simply &#8220;be&#8221; alot in our grief, to not push to &#8220;do&#8221; so much. Be with God, Be with others, just Be! God&#8217;s word to me in my grief was to &#8220;Be still and know that I am God&#8221;. I sat alot, I rested alot, I cried alot. I got tired of it. But it was healing. </p>
<p>Grief is a process with a purpose: healing. If we don&#8217;t submit to the process we don&#8217;t heal. After much kicking and screaming, running myself into the ground and just hoping tomorrow would be a different day, I had to simply give in to the graceful work of grief. I told God how I felt. I journaled extensively. I went for long walks and sat at the beach and cried. </p>
<p>But I learned NOT to push myself. </p>
<p>I likened pushing yourself when grieving to running on a broken leg. It results in permanent injury and you don&#8217;t run very good anyway. And it hurts.</p>
<p>I think another key is to be honest with God about where you are and to bring that into God&#8217;s presence and be with Him in all of your anger, whys?, sorrow, and memories. Wrestle, but wrestle well, with God.</p>
<p>Eventually grief bears a fruit of compassion and even a changed life. We wait for that day with expectation. But it takes paying attention along the way. So slow down, my friend. Respect the toll all of this has had on your body and mind and emotions and yes, even  your spirit. Be with God and rest. See how He is at work.</p>
<p>On another topic entirely, I am reading &#8220;Strengthening the Soul of Your Leadership&#8221; by Ruth Haley Barton. You should really get a copy. It&#8217;s fantastic and would be a great book review for your site. If you have questions let me know. I have lived out the truth of the teachings. She leads the 2 year retreat community I am a part of with other leaders. It&#8217;s a book about taking care of your own soul as leaders&#8230;&#8230;it&#8217;s fantastic.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelli</title>
		<link>http://pastorforlife.org/your-personal-pace-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my dad died in 8/05, it was after only three months of knowing he had cancer. We were blessed to have a chance to walk those months with him, and say things needed to be said.

But, when he died we all handled things differently. My mom got angry and lashed out at me for over a year.  God is still restoring that relationship.

5 months after he died, I was on dialysis. And 10 months later, I had to leave my job becasue of it. And in the midst of that John&#039;s dad died.

So, we are learning alot of grieving. For me, most importantly? Let the process happen. Laugh, cry, deny, whatever. Take it as it comes, and don&#039;t put  yourself on a time table.

There is no right or wrong way to grieve, and at the bottom of it all God is there with open arms. 

On larry King Live tonight, Mary Bath Chapman put it into words something like this:  We may fall into the deepest darkest place, on our feet or on our face, but we know the foundation we land on is solid. 

I&#039;m praying for you, dear friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my dad died in 8/05, it was after only three months of knowing he had cancer. We were blessed to have a chance to walk those months with him, and say things needed to be said.</p>
<p>But, when he died we all handled things differently. My mom got angry and lashed out at me for over a year.  God is still restoring that relationship.</p>
<p>5 months after he died, I was on dialysis. And 10 months later, I had to leave my job becasue of it. And in the midst of that John&#8217;s dad died.</p>
<p>So, we are learning alot of grieving. For me, most importantly? Let the process happen. Laugh, cry, deny, whatever. Take it as it comes, and don&#8217;t put  yourself on a time table.</p>
<p>There is no right or wrong way to grieve, and at the bottom of it all God is there with open arms. </p>
<p>On larry King Live tonight, Mary Bath Chapman put it into words something like this:  We may fall into the deepest darkest place, on our feet or on our face, but we know the foundation we land on is solid. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m praying for you, dear friend.</p>
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